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Does baby Dorothy belong in my tree?

gg - george eliot quote

Francis Cyprien Duval & Alice Hyde are my 2nd great grandparents.  They are pictured above with four of their five children who survived birth and infancy.  Their oldest son, Francis Henry (back left), is my great grandfather.

I have known about 5 of their children for years.  Slowly I have been finding little tid-bits that indicate there were additional children.

These are the five children who are well known to me:

  • Annie Marie Elvera Duval, 1899-1979
  • Francis Henry Duval, 1901-1996
  • Leon Howard Duval, 1907-1941
  • Dolores Lenore Duval, 1909-2005
  • Alexander Valmore Duval, 1916-1997

Notice the gaps?  Six years between Frank and Leon, and seven years between Dolores and Valmore.  Those are pretty big gaps for a Roman Catholic like Francis Cyprien Duval.

For a few years now I have known of two other children.  The first is a baby boy who was not named.  He was born and died on 15 February 1915 in North Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.

The second child is referenced in the 1910 census for the family while they are living in Fairbanks, Alaska.  Alice is listed as the mother of 5, with 4 living.  That means that there is a child who was born and died prior to 10 February 1910.

So my revised list of children looks like this:

  • Annie Marie Elvera Duval, 1899-1979
  • Francis Henry Duval, 1901-1996
  • Unknown Duval, born and died prior to February 10, 1910
  • Leon Howard Duval, 1907-1941
  • Dolores Lenore Duval, 1909-2005
  • Baby Boy Duval, 1915-1915
  • Alexander Valmore Duval, 1916-1997

It seems likely that the child I learned of from the 1910 census belongs between Frank and Leon in that 6 year gap, but that is just speculation.

It now appears there may be an additional child.

 

A baby girl named Dorothy.

The Western Call, a BC newspaper, has a death and funeral announcement found in their 14 October 1910 issue that reads:

DUVAL

The death took place Wednesday morning of Dorothy, the infant daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Frank Duval, corner of Twenty-sixth avenue and Martha street.  The funeral was held Thursday morning at 9.30 o’clock from the residence, Rev. G. A. Wilson Officiating.

Could this Mr. and Mrs. Frank Duval be my Frank & Alice Duval?

Most likely.

 

I know from an interview of their son Frank in the late 1970s/early 1980s that Frank and Alice left Alaska sometime after Alice’s father Henry died in 1907.  They were still in Fairbanks when the 1910 census was taken in February of that year.  I know that after they left Fairbanks they lived in Vancouver for a short time before moving to Lynn Valley, BC where they all lived until sometime after Francis Cyprien Duval’s death in 1919.

So once again, I revise my list of children for Frank and Alice:

  • Annie Marie Elvera Duval, 1899-1979
  • Francis Henry Duval, 1901-1996
  • Unknown Duval, born and died prior to February 10, 1910
  • Leon Howard Duval, 1907-1941
  • Dolores Lenore Duval, 1909-2005
  • Dorothy Duval, died 12 (or 11th) October 1910
  • Baby Boy Duval, 1915-1915
  • Alexander Valmore Duval, 1916-1997

Does baby Dorothy belong in my tree?

 

I think so.  I need more records to be sure.

But now I am wondering… how many other children are missing?

 

 

Note:  THANK YOU to Teresa from writing my past for suggesting I check out this BC newspaper site where I found the obit for baby Dorothy.  Of course that led me to additional searching including this site for BC City Directories.  I love the genealogy blogging community.  Our collective knowledge and sharing make genealogy SO MUCH better.  Thank you Teresa!

 

 


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Arthur & Mary Hyde

HYDE, Arthur, 1910, Fairbanks - edited by me

Arthur Hyde, according to his grand niece Vera Duval.

Last year, I wrote about some complicated inter-marriages in the Hyde & Whiteley branches of my tree.  Among other things I wrote, “And for just a dash of extra spice, Arthur was married in England with four children prior to his arrival in Alaska.  I don’t know what happened to his wife, but his children are alive and well and living with neighbors after he leaves England.  I have a theory about this.  But that is also a story for another day.”

Well, today is that day.

Arthur Hyde is my 3rd great granduncle.  He was born in about 1870 in Sheffield, Yorkshire, England to Henry Douglas McLenberg Hyde & Sarah Marsden.  I first learned of Arthur from family notes.

Currently I have found Arthur on the 1871 & 1881 census living at home with his parents and siblings in Yorkshire.

On 17 July 1889, Arthur married Mary Bell, daughter of Joseph Bell.  After their marriage they continued to live in Yorkshire for a time.  They can be found on the 1891 Census in Sheffield living with Arthur’s parents and their first child.  In 1901, they are living in Heeley with their children.

Together they had at least four children:

  • Ann Elizabeth Hyde, born 13 April 1890 in Sheffield.
  • Martha M Hyde, born about 1895 in Sheffield.
  • Rose Hyde, born about 1897 in Sheffield.
  • John Arthur Hyde, born about 1900 in Sheffield.

In 1910 Arthur appears on the US Census living in Fairbanks, Alaska with his widowed sister-in-law Alice Whiteley Hyde, both listed as single.  According to family notes, the two supposedly married in 1909 in Fairbanks.

Between 1909 and 1913, there are several newspaper articles about Arthur running races including marathons.

Arthur died 13 February 1919 in Colfax, Placer, California.

None of this explains what happened to Mary Bell and the four children.  Did Arthur and Mary divorce?  Did Mary die?  Why did Arthur move across the world and leave his children behind in England?

I have a big imagination.  In my imagining possible scenarios I have come up with this one:

When Henry returned to England to marry Alice Whiteley, what if Henry dazzled his brother Arthur with tales of Western Canada and Alaska.  The Hyde family were poor laborers.  Maybe Arthur and his wife Mary Bell, followed Henry to Alaska with plans to start a homestead or mine for gold.  Maybe they left the children in England until they could make their start.  And then something may have happened to Mary and Arthur remained in Alaska and never retrieved his children.  Part of the reason I dreamt up this theory is because of this photograph.

HYDE family, in Alaska

The woman in the center back is my 2nd great grandmother Alice Hyde.  The woman on the bottom right is her aunt/step-mother Alice Whiteley Hyde.  This photo is not labeled so I can’t be certain who the other three individuals are.  But I think that the man on the right is Alice Hyde’s father Henry Hyde, husband of Alice Whiteley Hyde.  Makes sense, right?  What if the man on the left is Arthur Hyde and that the woman on the bottom left is his wife Mary Bell Hyde?

But then my imaginary theory develops some holes.  First of all, I think this photo looks like it was taken prior to Alice Hyde’s marriage in 1897.  If I’m correct then Mary should be in England having babies with Arthur.  I suppose it’s possible they took a little journey to Alaska to visit Henry between their babies but that doesn’t seem likely.

So the photo may not support my imaginary explanation for Arthur seemingly abandoning his family but I haven’t yet turned over every stone.  Alice Whiteley Hyde completed the Fairbanks homestead that she and Henry started together.  But she completed it after Henry’s death, presumably with the help of Arthur.  In order to complete a homestead there is a whole lot of paperwork generated.  I intend to order the homestead paperwork and hope that I will find some more clues about Arthur in there.  I really hope he didn’t just abandon his little family.


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A Marrying Mess

Whiteley - Hyde

I’ve been failing at my goal to post each week.  I think it’s been about a month since my last post so I thought I’d try to make up for that with a bit of genealogical entertainment straight from my tree.  Welcome to the Whiteley and Hyde families Marrying Mess, complete with hand drawn flow chart – a good use of coloring time with my 3 year old.

Henry Hyde and Ann Whiteley are my 3rd great grandparents.  They married in Sheffield, Yorkshire, England in 1873 and moved to Canada.  Eleven years later, Ann died leaving Henry with two (possibly three) young girls to care for.  Ann died in November and Henry returned to England and married Ann’s sister Alice Whiteley in January.  He left his infant daughter Rosey with his parents and took his daughter Alice, his new bride Alice, and moved to Alaska.

Henry and Alice spent 22 years together before his death in 1907 in Alaska.  About two years after his demise, Alice married Henry’s brother Arthur.  Alice and Arthur spent about 10 years together before his death in 1919.

All of this I knew.  And I had known it for sometime.  But just last week I made some new discoveries that make this story even more interesting – and matrimonially messy.

After Arthur died, Alice lived with his brother Robert.  I’m not sure how long they lived together or what the nature of their relationship was, but in the 1920 census they are living together in Brush Prarie, Clark, Washington.

Sometime between the 1920 census and Robert’s death in 1928, it appears he may have married his niece Rosey Hyde – his first known marriage and her second of three.  Hmmmmm.  That is a story worthy of its own post.

Meanwhile back in England, Ann and Alice’s mother Eliza died leaving their father George Whiteley a widower.  George married Martha Marsden, his sons-in-law’s mother’s sister – his second marriage, her third.

And for just a dash of extra spice, Arthur was married in England with four children prior to his arrival in Alaska.  I don’t know what happened to his wife, but his children are alive and well and living with neighbors after he leaves England.  I have a theory about this.  But that is also a story for another day.

And there you have it – the Whiteley and Hyde families Marrying Mess – and what a beautiful mess it is!

Do you have any families in your tree that had multiple matrimonial connections?


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Alaska – My Fascination

In case you don’t already know, I am completely fascinated by my Alaskan roots.

Here’s a quick rundown.  My 3rd great grandfather Henry Hyde settled in Alaska sometime between 1885 and 1895.  He started a homestead but died before he could complete it.  His second wife, my 3rd great grandaunt (he married his first wife’s sister after wife number one died), Alice completed that homestead in 1918 – ten years after Henry’s death.  Henry’s daughter Alice was raised in Alaska.  She met her future husband, Frank Duval, when he got to know her father in Fairbanks.  She went to Dawson with Frank before the gold rush had started.  She was about fifteen, he was about thirty-two.  (?!)  They married in Dawson after the gold rush had mostly finished in November of 1897.  They started their own homestead in Fairbanks and lived there for many years, wintering in California.  They gave up their homestead before it was complete and moved to Vancouver between 1910 and 1911.

My great grandfather, Frank and Alice’s son, was raised in Alaska until he was about ten years old.  I recently listened to an interview my mom conducted with him in the early 80s.  Listening to this great grandfather that I knew and loved recount his Alaskan homestead stories made this branch of my family really come to life.

But then.

 

This summer I discovered the Discovery Channel show Alaska: The Last Frontier.  I watched the free season on Netflix.  I am in LOVE with this show!  I thought that hearing my great grandpa tell his stories made this branch of my tree come to life, but watching this show kicked it up a notch for sure.  Suddenly, I was thinking more of the everyday tasks, skills, hard work, and challenges that three generations of my family faced for several years.  As always, I have more questions.  Like how did Henry’s widow Alice complete that homestead?  Homestead work in Alaska is hard, like really hard.  I am so excited to order the homestead documents.   Hopefully they will give me more insight into their work and life in Alaska.

I love it when I find a book, film or other media item that helps me make a deeper connection with my ancestors.  Something that helps me understand their life just a little bit more.

How about you?  Have media items ever helped you understand your ancestors better?

 


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Still Here!

Carter & Harrison, bear lake, 2014

My little fellas, Bear Lake, 28 June 2014

I’ve been itching to get back to my blog – there are so many things I have to say, and so little time!  Here are a few of the big genealogy things that have been on my mind:

  • I created a fabulous mini book for our family reunion to help the great grandchildren learn more about our family.  It was awesome!  And even better, the kids loved it and worked on it.
  • Facebook groups for genealogy – which are your favorites?  They can be great and well, not so great.
  • FamilySearch indexing day was amazing.  I’m so impressed with their final numbers!  My two teenagers participated.  Can I just say I was completely surprised?  It turns out my 13 year old is pretty excellent at deciphering old handwriting.  Now I just need to figure out how to get him actually interested…  Did you join the fun?
  • Today is Pioneer Day.  I have lots of Mormon Pioneers in my tree.  Today is a tender day for me as I consider the many hardships they endured.  Last night my 13 year old offered our family prayer.  Among other things he said, “Please help us to remember the real meaning of Pioneer Day.”  Such a sweet moment for my mother heart.  I love this quote – “Can we somehow muster the courage and steadfastness of purpose that characterized the pioneers of a former generation?  Can you and I, in actual fact, be pioneers [today]?”  – Thomas S. Monson.  Do you have any Mormon Pioneers in your tree?
  • I have one more LARGE family reunion this summer.  I am one of the three people in charge.  I need to come up with some sort of activity, some family history type activity.  I have a few ideas brewing…
  • Who Do You Think You Are? started back up!  My favorite show.  Do you watch?
  • My family and I have discovered a new {to us} show on Netflix – Alaska The Last Frontier.  I am in love with this show because I have three generations in my family that were involved with homesteads in Alaska.  There were two homesteads, one was completed, one was not.  The one that was completed was started by my 3rd great grandfather Henry Hyde.  He died before it was completed so his wife Alice Whiteley Hyde completed it without him.  Watching this show has really opened my eyes to how difficult life is in Alaska.  I am gaining new respect and admiration for this part of my family with every episode I watch.

I’m still here, soaking up every bit of genealogy goodness I can find in the world.  See you in a few weeks!


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Ancestor Story – Alice Hyde – 52 Ancestors

Francis Cyprien, Francis Henry, Elvera & Alice Hyde Duval, 1903 Oakland California

Duval Family, about 1903 in Oakland, California. Francis Cyprien, Francis Henry, Annie Marie Elvera & Alice Hyde Duval.

On Monday I posted a photo of Grandfather Hyde and asked for opinions on my assessment of which Grandfather Hyde was in the photo.  This spurred a whole lot of conversation between myself and Alex of Root to Tip.  She dug up a few records for me and then my curiosity completely changed my research plans for the week in an exciting way.  Since I have the Hyde family dominating my thoughts I decided to write about my most recent direct-line Hyde ancestor, Alice Hyde, my 2nd great grandmother.

Alice was born 29 July 1880 in Muskoka, Ontario, Canada to William Henry Hyde and Ann Whiteley.  Alice was born 7 years and 5 months after her parents were married but as far as I can tell, she is their first child.

When Alice was just four years old, her mother Ann died as the result of childbirth while the family was living in Golden, British Columbia, Canada.  Henry was away for work at the time of this tragedy.  I imagine it was quite a shock to return home to his small, motherless family.  Just shy of two months later, he marries Ann’s younger sister Alice in York, York, England and leaves his daughter Rosey to live with his parents in Sheffield, York, England.  He kept Alice with him.  Rosey may or may not be the child born just prior to Ann’s death.  I wrote more about that here.

Alice is now the step daughter of her aunt who is also named Alice.  So now there are two Alice Hydes in the family and they are only about 11 years apart in age.  I wonder what that was like for young Alice?

Alice Hyde and her step mother Alice Whiteley Hyde.

Alice Hyde and her step mother Alice Whiteley Hyde.

Alice and her family eventually settled in Fairbanks, Alaska.  Henry was known for having the first successful working farm in Fairbanks.  During the year 1896 Henry became acquainted with a man by the name of Francis Cyprien Duval.  Henry tried to convince Frank to claim a piece of land near his farm and try his hand at homesteading.  Frank wasn’t interested.  He had left Quebec to get away from farming.  He was bound for Dawson.

At the age of 16 Alice left her father’s home with Frank and together they traversed the famous Chilkoot Pass.  They beat the Gold Rush by an entire year.  Frank was able to do well mining in Dawson.  He and Alice were married 12 November 1897 in Dawson, Alaska.

At least seven children were born to this union:

  • Annie Marie Elvera Duval, 2 December 1899, in Oakland, California
  • Francis Henry Duval, 10 May 1901, in Oakland, California
  • Leon Howard Duval, 5 September 1907, in Fairbanks, Alaska
  • Delores Lenore Duval, 27 April 1909, in Fairbanks, Alaska
  • Male Duval, died 15 February 1915, age 0, in Lynn Creek, British Columbia
  • Alexander Valmore Duval, 26 August 1916, in Lynn Valley, British Columbia
  • One additional child was born and died prior to 1910, details currently unknown.

Frank and Alice began their marriage in the wild Gold Rush town of Dawson, Alaska.  After a short time they claimed land near Alice’s father’s farm on the Chena Slough 6 miles outside of Fairbanks.  They spent the summers in Alaska and the winters in California.  Frank built them a cabin in Alaska and they purchased a home in Oakland.  My great grandfather, Francis Henry Duval, shared some lovely memories of the homestead in Alaska during an interview with my mom in the 70s.  I recently re-listened to this recording and was excited to find answers to several of the questions I had.  Among the many details, he talked about their garden.  They kept a greenhouse in Alaska and had stoves in there to keep everything warm.  They planted their vegetables in the greenhouse much earlier than anyone else.  They would begin harvesting their lettuces, tomatoes and the like in the spring.  They loaded their bounty into a canoe and took them into Fairbanks and sold them to restaurants.  He shared many other interesting details that make it pretty clear that Frank and Alice were very industrious.

After the big San Fransisco earthquake in 1906, a real estate man wrote to Frank and Alice to let them know that their house had been completely destroyed.  He offered to sell the land for them.  The Duvals decided to stay in Alaska and sell the land.

Alice’s children were getting older.  In order to attend school they had to walk along the railroad tracks for about 3 miles to arrive at the schoolhouse.  Alice would send Vera and if the weather was good she would also send young Frank.  She wanted her children to be able to attend school more easily and she wanted them to have a better education.  In 1908 her father Henry died in Fairbanks.  I’m sure this strengthened her resolve to leave.  She was eventually able to persuade Frank to leave the homestead in Alaska and settle in Vancouver, British Columbia sometime between 1910 and 1911.  They are in Fairbanks in the 1910 US Census and Vancouver in the 1911 Canadian Census.

They only lived in Vancouver a short time before Frank tired of being in the city.  He found a piece of land in Lynn Valley and built a two story home with a basement.  The school was one block from their new home.  My great grandfather recalls being in class one day when one of his schoolmates pointed out the window and exclaimed, “The Duval house is on fire!”.  Everyone rushed out of class and ran toward the home.  There was quite a gathering of townspeople on the lawn in front of the home.  Young Delores had been left at home alone but was rescued when someone heard her cries from the basement.  Shortly after young Frank arrived, Alice returned from her errand to find her home aflame.  She started yelling for people to help save the furniture and whatever they could.  Only young Frank was brave enough to help his mother and together they pulled as many items from the burning house as they could.

Frank determined he would not rebuild his home himself and he hired someone to build on the same spot.

Duval family home in Lynn Valley, British Columbia.

Duval family home in Lynn Valley, British Columbia.

In the spring of 1919, Frank was in a buggy accident while at work.  He was a Forest Ranger and had rented a horse and buckboard to go out and take care of some of his work.  His horse was spooked and he was thrown off the seat of the buckboard landing on his feet.  His leg broke just above the ankle from the impact and the broken bone tore through the flesh landing in the dirt.  The exposed flesh and bone were filthy.  Frank was away from town, all alone.  He took off his shirt, bound his leg and crawled along until he was able to find two sticks large enough to use as makeshift crutches.  He slowly and painfully made his way toward town.  It was a seven mile journey.  The scared horses returned to their home without Frank and so men went out searching for him.  He was rescued after he had traveled about a mile and a half and was taken to the hospital in Vancouver.  From the time his leg was broken until he made it to the hospital 17 hours had passed.  During that time he developed blood poisoning.  He was in the hospital about 7-12 days.  At first the doctors said he was doing well.  Alice was bringing the children to the hospital to visit their father.  Toward the end of his hospital stay he took a turn for the worse and the family was called back.  The doctors told Alice that the only way to save his life was to amputate the leg at the knee.  Frank refused.  He worsened and lost consciousness, Alice consented to the amputation.  The day after the amputation Frank died leaving Alice widowed with 5 children ranging in ages from 18 to 3 years old.

Shortly after Frank’s death, Alice determined to leave Canada and returned to California.  They went to Oakland to see the site of their former home to find it exactly as they had left it in the early spring of 1906.

The family moved around a lot.  Young Frank had the difficult responsibility of providing for his mother and siblings for many years.  Young Frank married in 1930.  For several months after he married, he continued to send money home to his mother.  Eventually he passed the responsibility of her care to his younger brother.

Her later years included additional struggles.  She suffered from poor health and eventually lost another home.  This time it seems she lost her home to the bank near the end of the depression.

In December of 1940 she was arrested on the charge of Grand Larceny in Whatcom, Washington.  She pled guilty and was imprisoned for a few weeks shy of 1 year.  She died 8 1/2 years after her release, 24 June 1950 in Red Bluff, Tehama, California.  There was not contact between Alice and her son Frank after her release.  The circumstances of the last few years of her life are unknown to me.

My grandmother does not have fond memories of Alice.  She says she was a mean, nasty woman.  I imagine Alice’s many losses were very difficult.  I would like to think that she might have been kinder in her younger years.  Maybe not gentle, I imagine she had to be pretty tough to survive in Alaska during that time period.  But hopefully kind.  She must have been brave and strong to endure all that she did.  I hope her last few years of life brought some peace and stability.  I hope she was able to enjoy her time in California before her death.

Do you have any tough frontierswomen in your tree?  What were they like?


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Photograph Showcase: Which Grandfather Hyde?

possibly henry hydeBefore you look at the next photo or read my post, please guess the age of this man.

possibly henry hyde - back

This is one of several photos in my collection that is puzzling.  I believe I have worked it out.  Let me tell you what I think and then how about you tell me if I convinced you?  Deal?  Okay, here goes.

This photo was found amongst a batch of photos belonging to Vera Duval.  Vera is the daughter of Francis Cyprien Duval & Alice Hyde and the sister of my great-grandpa Frank Duval.

The back of the photo, shown here, was written on at two very different dates by two different people.  The first thing that was written was:  To Arthur & Alice.  That handwriting is not familiar but seems have been written at or near the time the photo was taken.  The second thing that was written was:  Grandfather Hyde – then the writer added the last name Hyde next to Alice’s name – Our Mothers Father.  I believe the second writer is Vera.  The handwriting is consistent with her handwriting and the photo is from her collection.  If I am correct that Vera wrote ‘Our Mothers Father’, then that would mean that this is a photo of Alice Hyde’s father Henry Hyde.  Simple, right?  No.  This is where we run into a problem.

Henry Hyde was born in Sheffield, Yorkshire, England in 1852.  He married Ann Whiteley in Pitsmoor, Yorkshire, England in 1873.  The next event of record is the birth of their daughter Alice in 1880 in Ontario, Canada.  In 1884, Ann dies during childbirth in Golden, British Columbia, Canada.  After Ann’s death Henry sends their daughter Rosie (possibly the daughter born in 1884) back to England to live with his parents.  In January of 1885 Henry marries Ann’s younger sister Alice in York, York, England.  Then they leave England and move to Alaska.  I know that they are living in Fairbanks, Alaska in 1896.  I know that Henry dies in 1908 in Fairbanks.  Based on the family stories, I believe that Henry did not leave Alaska again after 1896.  After Henry’s death, Alice marries Henry’s brother Arthur in Alaska.  Arthur & Alice.  The only Arthur & Alice the photo could have been given to.  All of this leads me to the important question – Which Grandfather Hyde is this?  Is this a photo of Henry Hyde who died in Alaska or his father Henry Hyde who lived his entire life in York County, England.  Alaskan Henry or English Henry?

Using the available information, I want to first make my case that this photo is not a photo of Alaskan Henry:

  • Henry was 56 years old at the time of his death.  I’m not great with ages but I think the man in the photo is a fair bit older than 56.
  • This photo was taken in Sheffield, York, England.  If it were Alaskan Henry then it would likely have been taken prior to 1896 making Henry 34 or younger.  No way is that guy up there 34 or younger.  But that is not even possible anyway because of the photographer.
  • The photographer, Alan Rufford, is listed in the Sheffield, York, England city directories in 1908 & 1911 but not in 1905.  This leads me to believe the photo was taken between 1905 and 1911 or possibly later.  Alan could have opened up his shop after the printing of the 1905 directory.  The Sheffield Indexers have a spreadsheet of photographers in Sheffield with the dates they were in business based on the city directories.  They have Alan Rufford listed only in 1908 & 1911.  So far that is all I have found as well.  Because Alaskan Henry died in 1908 I have a feeling he didn’t make a quick trip to Sheffield for a photo just before he died.
  • Would Alaskan Henry have inscribed a photo of himself to his wife and brother?  Kind of weird.  I hope not.

Okay, now take all of those reasons and add these additional reasons to make the case that I think this is a photo of English Henry:

  • English Henry was born in about 1831 in Sheffield, York, England.  I don’t know his death date.  He is still living at the time of the 1901 England Census.  I haven’t found him in 1911.  If the photo was taken sometime between 1905 and 1911, English Henry would have been 74-80 years old.  Like I said, I’m not great with ages, but that seems like a better match to me.
  • The photo is inscribed to Arthur & Alice.  Arthur is English Henry’s son.  English Henry presumably knew Alice.  After Alaskan Henry’s death maybe English Henry had this photo taken and sent it to his son and double daughter-in-law in Alaska?
  • This photo was taken in England.  English Henry was certainly in England and it is more likely he would have been photographed there during this time period than his son who did not live in England.

What do you think?  Did I convince you?  Am I completely wrong?

Which Grandfather Hyde do you think this is?  English Henry or Alaskan Henry?